My sister faded years ago and I treat her exactly the same as I ever did (I am still an active Witness) , and her two Witness closest friends keep in close contact with her (they knew each other from childhood before becoming Witnesses). So some people follow their own conscience and do not just blindly follow all the very heavy hints dropped by the org.
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"Normal family affections and dealings" continue - If only?!?
by LHS123 ini am new to this forum - it is only a couple of weeks since i have allowed myself to acknowledge and research my doubts.
i am trying to be fair by reading both sides of the story and considering jw official explanation of confusing matters.
one of the issues i have been looking at is shunning - and i was shocked to see the misleading information about shunning on the jw.org website: .
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Family gathering before disfellowshiping
by Mattieu inif you were/are in the sydenham (melbourne/victoria) congo you may be very familiar with this a few years back.
a prominent elder who likes the sound of his own voice (hint, his initials are william saad) yes of quite a well connected family, was on a judicial committee who was disfellowshiping one of his own male relatives for repeated marijuana usage.. this story by the way shows how corrupt the whole system is.
as williams family (elders and c/o) had covered up the previous few sorrid outcomes of his drug usage, they couldn't contain the last public viewing of his drug dependency, witnessed by many witnesses ironically... so they held a jc to disfellowship him.
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Ok, to sowhatnow who asked elders and ms to defend themselves, and those who called elders "corruption squad", it is understandable to take a pot shot at those whose motives you question. But I was an elder for almost 20 yrs (only resigned less than a yr ago) and in all that time I thought I did my best to be fair, impartial and kind, especially on jcs, which I had a good deal of experience in. Not all elders are baddies, you know. -
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"Normal family affections and dealings" continue - If only?!?
by LHS123 ini am new to this forum - it is only a couple of weeks since i have allowed myself to acknowledge and research my doubts.
i am trying to be fair by reading both sides of the story and considering jw official explanation of confusing matters.
one of the issues i have been looking at is shunning - and i was shocked to see the misleading information about shunning on the jw.org website: .
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That should read, "you nailed it"
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"Normal family affections and dealings" continue - If only?!?
by LHS123 ini am new to this forum - it is only a couple of weeks since i have allowed myself to acknowledge and research my doubts.
i am trying to be fair by reading both sides of the story and considering jw official explanation of confusing matters.
one of the issues i have been looking at is shunning - and i was shocked to see the misleading information about shunning on the jw.org website: .
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LHS123
you nailed on your last post, exactly how I feel.
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"Normal family affections and dealings" continue - If only?!?
by LHS123 ini am new to this forum - it is only a couple of weeks since i have allowed myself to acknowledge and research my doubts.
i am trying to be fair by reading both sides of the story and considering jw official explanation of confusing matters.
one of the issues i have been looking at is shunning - and i was shocked to see the misleading information about shunning on the jw.org website: .
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FayeDunaway I know what you mean. It's hard to speak without reservation. Before I became a witness I took people as I found them. For over 30 years I have been seeing everyone through a lens. I am still an active witness but I am now pleasantly surprised quite often when I meet somebody and I stop myself from weighing them up according to my "theocratic standards." It's very refreshing to try to see people on their own merits. -
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"Normal family affections and dealings" continue - If only?!?
by LHS123 ini am new to this forum - it is only a couple of weeks since i have allowed myself to acknowledge and research my doubts.
i am trying to be fair by reading both sides of the story and considering jw official explanation of confusing matters.
one of the issues i have been looking at is shunning - and i was shocked to see the misleading information about shunning on the jw.org website: .
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To LHS123
Reactions to disfellowshipping vary. A close relative of mine by marriage was disfellowshipped wrongly. My wife and I never stopped associating with him. We were discreet about this but I also wrote to the branch office to complain. My wife thought I would be in big trouble for this but they were fine about it. Eventually he was exonerated. Another relative is also disf. but family still see him. So it depends.
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David Schafer's Mistake
by Hold Me-Thrill Me inthanks cappytan for posting the thread "jehovah's people as a whole can never be corrupted".
it's a sad example of how low in simple reading skills the present gb and their helpers are.
david schafer referred to philippians 4:7 on jw broadcasting.
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thank you for your post on this. I also watched it in disbelief and came to the same conclusion that you did that the scripture was completely missaplied. Thank you for expressing it so clearly, much better than I could have.
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"Jehovah's people as a whole can never be corrupted..."
by cappytan inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zgds4z-h2i.
transcript below (with key points of interest bolded):.
please open your bibles to phil.
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In context, David was hopeful that Jehovah would judge Saul in due time, as he knew he (David) was in the right. I think there is an account where David realises that Jehovah will judge Saul eventually so he knows justice will out. But the suggestion in this video is simply to put up with it. -
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God's Inception Style Punishment of Toddlers
by Simon inthis is a follow up to jehovah kicks a puppy about the garden of eden / serpent myth and the punishment for disobeying god.. anyone who has had kids knows that that they need to be taught what is right and what is wrong.
it's no point trying to discipline them if they have't learnt the rules first - they simply and fundamentally don't know something is wrong so punishing them in anyway is just asshole parenting of the worst kind.. i.e.
toddlers draw on the wall, that's what they do.
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But even if they did not fully understand why it was wrong, they were told that it was wrong. They didn't need to do it to get the point. Ok, once they had done it they realised their mistake, but the argument is that they should have trusted that God was warning them for a good reason. -
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A form of healing?
by New day init has been mentioned on here by quite a few posters that when they let go of the pressure of living up to the standards set out in the wt publications, they felt relief from a strangulating set of rules and regulations which do not truly reflect the kindness and love displayed by jesus.. as more than a year has gone by since i first read the ray franz books and started reading posts here, i recently stepped back and thought about how i now feel.
having always been a boy who can't say no (theocratically speaking) i have just now realized that, yes, i can refuse talks in the tms if i either can't do them or (gasp) don't want to do them.
just last week a well-meaning but misguided elder put me down to take a fs arrangement without asking me, despite the fact that i resigned as an elder last year and had asked for the pressure to be taken off.
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Nice idea. My wife is also going through huge trauma from relentless pressure of being a Witness for the last forty years. She has almost opted out due to psychological trauma even though she is a true believer. She almost blew her top when the TMS overseer suggested she be a householder on the school, even though I had point blank told him she could not take the pressure. He does not get it at all.